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: for sure. and, of course, we know that once they go over the fiscal cliff and those that -- that cap cal gains rate goes back to the clinton era it will be a 20% rate anyway. one way or another it's going to up. that's all i am saying. nancy took cook, thank you so much from the national journal thank you for join is us inside the war room. coming up, the car room is is not in the prediction business but we hear there is good money in it. so we are going to jump in. our best guess on how this negotiation will play out right after the break. plus what would thomas jefferson do with the fiscal cliff? funny you should and s author john meechum's new biography on the founder father sheds new light on the man and his method and he, john meechum will join us in the war room. and later mitt romney finally got into the white house don't worry, though it was just for a bowl of chili. ititititititititititititititititititititititititititit before the sneeze, help protect with a spray. before the tissue, help defend with a wipe. before t
their conversation with no break in the deadlock over how to avoid the rapidly approaching fiscal cliff. the president's secretary said the administration is absolutely 3r-7d to go over the cliff if republicans don't agree to tax rate increases. speaker boehner says it is now up to the president to spell out a plan that will pass. the president told business leaders that ending fights over extending the country's debt ceiling have to be a part of this deal. now part of our deal here at 9news is having gary nurenberg follow these fiscal cliff developments. he is here with tonight's wrap- up. >> reporter: an knit tax you are right, the president and the speaker got on the phone but as if to signal the lack of progress the house got out of town. the republican controlled house left town wednesday saying it has nothing to do. >> we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. >> reporter: the president's treasury secretary said there's no room for negotiation on its demand for tax rate hikes for top income earners. >> is the administration prepared t
the fiscal cliff. >> i think the president's proposal is short. i think to get where we need to get my $3 trillion target we need $1.2 trillion in spending cuts. >> a growing number of house republicans are open the raising tax rids on the wealthy but only if it is part of a larger reduction deal. >> authorities are identifying the prisoner involved in yesterday's police-involved shooting. 30-year-old brine is charged with attempted murder but he is still at the hospital. he was being treated at the e.r. and trying to hide a needle in his clothes after a brief struggle. medical staff an officer stepped in and he went for the gun. we're told he was handcuffed during the entire incident. the officer was grazed by the bullet but did not require medical treatment. an investigationing is underway on what started a deadly fire in baltimore county. 62-year-old william spencer was killed when these flames engulfed his home. this is eyewitness video from one of our viewers. about 80 fire penalty nell was called to the scene just after midnight and we're told it took about two and half hours to ge
in their heels, and with no move to avoid the fiscal cliff, or to raise the debt ceiling which is currently at $16.4 trillion, now there's new concern about what could happen to our credit rating in the new year. each day toward the fiscal cliff is also another day closer to the country maxing out on its borrowing limits. president obama called it a dangerous lesson when he talked to business leaders today. >> the only thing that debt ceiling is good for as a weapon is to destroy your credit rating. >> reporter: he's worried republicans may refuse to raise the debt ceiling and risk defaulting on the country's loan. >> that is a bad strategy for america. it's a bad strategy for your businesses. and it is not a game that i will play. >> reporter: republicans are pushing back. >> he's the president, not the emperor. he does not have the power. >> reporter: fiscal cliff negotiations have been at a standstill since monday. not by raising rates on the rich as the president had insisted. >> we're not insisting on rates just out of spite, but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of reve
to congress. january 1, 2013, new tax rates and rolls kick in. january 2, 2013, $110 billion in fiscal cliff spending cuts due to begin. march 27, 2013, funding of the federal government expires. august 1, 2013, white house's suggested deadline for resolving major changes to the tax code and entitlements. ron has this to say about the fiscal cliff -- let's hear from ray in philadelphia, a republican caller. caller: good morning. i think the republicans have to get out a better message. if we realize we ran out of money for all the programs we are having, what is going to happen in another 10 years? what happens is, these people earning more than $250,000, they worked from the age of 18 to move up the ladder and finally reached success. the pint the republicans have to make is it is time to lower taxes on middle-class families. it has reached a pinnacle. it is time to may be lower taxes on the middle-class. we have to cut spending because the economy is in such bad positicondition. democrats keep pointing out that 98% of businesses are less than $250,000. 98% of people working in those busine
in the fiscal cliff debate. tax rates spike and spending slashed. congress is breaking for the holidays in two weeks. it could send the economy spinning in directions. $1.6 trillion in tax hikes. he will travel to pennsylvania to sell it to you. republicans aren't buying it. listen to house speaker, john boehner. >> despite the claims the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. >> democrats are firing right back at boehner. harry reid getting a little personal. >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him. okay? >> ouch. athena jones live from washington. same old same old. where do we go from here? >> that's the big question. the nice talk after the election is pretty much gone away. you mentioned one of the big sticking points, that's taxes. republicans and democrats can't agree on how to raise the tax revenue? end the bush tax cuts for the wealthy, close the loopholes, raise the capital gains taxes or all of the above. right now, they can't agree on how much money should be raised on the revenue side. let's listen to
to the country's credit rating in the new year. each day toward the fiscal cliff is also another day closer to the country maxing out on its borrowing limit. president obama talked to business leaders today. >> the only thing that the debt ceiling is good for as a weapon is to destroy your credit rating. >> reporter: he's worried republicans may re newsto raise the country's debt ceiling to get their way on spending cuts and risk defaulting on the country's loans. >> that is a bad strategy for america. it's a bad strategy for your businesses. and it is not a game that i will play. >> reporter: republicans are pushing back. >> he's the president, not the emperorer. >> reporter: fiscal cliff negotiations have been at a stand still since monday when republicans proposed raising revenue by closing tax loopholes, not by raising rates on the rich as the president has insisted. >> we're not insisting rates just out of spite, but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. >> we can't just keep borrowing money, raising taxes, and expecting the problem to go away. >> reporter: house
to go off the fiscal cliff if there is no movement by house republicans. would you be willing to go off the fiscal cliff if they did not budge on the top 2%? >> i did not understand the statement in the way that you characterized it. the way i think -- it was a prediction. if there is no agreement, then the fiscal cliff pass to be dealt with. i did not see it as if they do not do this, we do that. i saw it as a statement of fact. if there is no agreement, we go over the cliff. >> the governor christie is meeting at the white house with the president. this afternoon, as he has a meeting with the speaker. [inaudible] >> christie? i thought you were talking about sandy right now. >> [inaudible] >> i do not know that. i had a meeting with governor cuomo and i met with mayor bloomberg. they showed me the documentation of the challenges they're facing in their communities. they know that i am committed to the social compact the but we have to be there for people in times of natural disaster. one of the first things i -- that happen to me was the earthquake. if you ever want to feel helpless,
, go down the fiscal cliff for tax rates, and adjust the taxes for the 98% through the rebate process. and this could be available for anyone, any president. let the bush tax rates apply as a ceiling, and then apply the rebate process to control the 98%. host: why do you propose that? what is the advantage in your view? caller: because the executive branch, the president, whoever it is, would have the ability to adjust the tax effectively for anyone who falls below the clintons' ceiling, and they could do this anytime. there would not have to go back to congress. -- they would not have to go back to congress. guest: it is true that technically the administration can do some things without even the congress's approval, but it would not be a lasting solution. let's say you could freeze the amount of withholding that you pay three paycheck at the level it was this year, for the 98%, and increase withholdings for everyone else as the law would dictate if you read over the cliff. -- went over the cliff. but the 98%, if they did not actually pass a law to extend the tax cuts for that portio
officials trading insults, playing the blame game here as the clock is winding down on the fiscal cliff. keep in mind time is a-wasting. in 32 days now tax rates soar, spending gets slashed. oh, and don't forget, congress, yeah, they get to take a break for the holidays in 14 days. a recipe for recession. the president is pitching a plan that calls for $1.6 trillion in tax heights and $50 billion in new infrastructure spending. he'll head to a manufacturing plant in pennsylvania to push all this. republicans aren't buying in. listen to house speaker john boehner's reaction. >> despite the claims that the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. >> didn't take very long for democrats to hit back at speaker boehner. senate majority leader harry reid got up, a little personal. >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him. >> i don't understand his brain. let's go to washington this morning. wow, just when we thought they were getting closer seems like they're even farther apart this morning. >> yeah, you know, the nic
rate in 2013 if the fiscal cliff does not go well. there is no bipartisan agreement on the way to save the day. so many other companies, wal-mart, eastern allen, weight watchers all payouts as dividends ahead of this year. back to you. melissa: but wait, there is another company to add to the dividend list. don't miss "countdown to the closing bell" with liz claman. plenty of evidence now showing that it impacts decision-making. lori: it is great to see ceos and companies rewarding shareholders and shown their grateful to that. citigroup cutting 11,000 jobs. trying to slim down with more cuts on the way. >> 23 minutes past the hour, hello, this is your fox news minute. witnesses telling reuters gas bombs are being thrown at demonstrators outside the presidential palace. president mohamed morsi is back after running from hundreds of thousands of protesters swarming outside yesterday. demonstrators furious over the power grab in his rush for a new constitution. the israeli prime minister is saying the jewish state remains committed to negotiation settlement with palestinians as israel pl
in their heels with no move to avoid the fiscal cliff. fiscal cliff negotiations have been at a stand still since monday when republicans proposed raising revenue by closing tax loopholes not by raising rates own the wealthy as the president has demanded. >> we're not insisting on rates out of spite but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. >> we can't keep borrowing mown and raising taxes and expect the problem to go away. >> with no solution in sight the white house budget is now ordering the pentagon and other an an jencies to finalize their plan to avoid massive spending cuts. >> secretary of state clinton says nato's decision missiles to turkey sends a clear message that tour ski is backed by its allies. the big concern remains an increasely desperate assad regime will turn to chemical weapons as rebel fighting rages on. the u.s. and its partners are looking to apply additional pressure on at a conference next week. the regime insists they would not use weapons against its people. >> a natural gas tanker arrived in japan today becoming the first vessel to successfully
of the thorniest elements of the so-called fiscal cliff. host: that's the lead story this morning in the "wall street journal." marisa is a democrat in montana. marisa, good morning to you. the g.o.p. says address the spending problem. what do you think? caller: oh, thank you so much for taking my call. i'm so grateful and so grateful for c-span. let's never forget the dark days of the bush administration when dan rather got fired and no one would talk about anything. this open dialogue, which does lead to solution of problems. i'm so grateful, thank you c-span. i would like to say that i can remember at the very beginning of the bush administration when those democratic congressmen got up and said if we do this we're going to have these dire financial problems. sure enough we did. and then it's the bush's administration lack of leadership that has brought us into all these gigantic problems like the b.p. oil spill, due to lack of oversight. so thank you so much, we can solve our problems, there is such a thing as a possiblist, possibility, it's possible to solve this problem, we can do anythi
significant, the biggest stumbling block on the road to the fiscal cliff, that difference between tax rates for the wealthiest americans. and what house democrats announced they're going to try to do is an end run around the house gop to try to file a petition in order to try to push a vote on the house floor to just raise taxes -- excuse me, to just extend the bush-era tax rates for middle class americans. but to do that, as you know, they need 218 votes and there's still a very sizable republican majority in the house. it will be difficult for democrats to do that. >> absolutely. and that proposal to take away what has been historically a congressional prerogative was a little bit surprising even to people who have been reading about this stuff for years. is it true though, dana, as it has been in past years that both sides at least have to show their bases that they're fighting the good fight and that's part of what's going on here? >> reporter: absolutely. there's no question about it. what i mention in the piece really is a real phenomenon here when it comes to the feeling among congre
at the fiscal cliff so they can pay a lower capital gains rate. there's another reason, though, back at the end of october, the company reported a fabulous quarter, with earnings coming in at 46 cents a share, 12-cent beat, up 12%, we don't have a lot of double digit same store sales growers and raised guidance for the chain, stock roared after the quarter. some analysts don't think this momentum can be maintained, which is why ll got hit with a downgraded. i think this is a great story. let's check for the first time on cnbc for a company that needs a lot more visibility other than looking at that sign below -- behind home plate, the founder and chairman of lumber liquidators to find out more about how his company is doing and where it's headed. welcome to "mad money." >> hey, jim. thank you for having me. >> well, first, i want to give your company more visibility than just the dugout here when i watch baseball. your company is in 46 states, i don't see many of them around in the northeast. is there a particular concentration that i'm missing? >> no, we have a lot in the northeast. i started
to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. again, we say there's no prospect for an agreement that doesn't involve those tax rates going up. remember, it's 2%. remember, all of those americans, too, get a tax cut into that framework on the first $250,000 of their income. >> that said the president and speaker john boehner discussed the budget by phone yesterday. susan mcginnis is in washington with the latest on this game of fiscal chicken. susan, good morning to you. >> right. good morning, terrell. yeah, that phone call does raise the possibility that some serious talks could start soon, but now we learn that a lot of members of congress are heading out on a long weekend, not to return till tuesday. this as the impasse here on capitol hill continues and the nation waits. social security workers marched outside their office in baltimore wednesday. they're protesting the government spending cuts due to kick in at the end of the year as part of the fiscal cliff. >> we don't want to see our public hurt in any way. >> just down the road in washington, d.c
such barbed words and occurred before treasury secretary tim geithner laid down this harsh fiscal cliff marker. >> if the administration, are they prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. no prospect or agreement that doesn't involve those rates going on on the top 2%. remember, only 2%. >> reporter: that danger? not enough to keep congress in session. it's all right quit for the week. most lawmakers assume correctly there are bit players until there's a deal. that looks more complicated until mr. obama demanded republicans raise the debt ceiling this month without any spending cut strings attached. >> if congress in any way suggests they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes, and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, i will not play that game. because we've got to break that habit before it starts. >> reporter: the president sees the fiscal cliff showdown as an opportunity to break that linkage for good. republicans say they will not increase the debt ceiling now $16 trillion and due to expire in f
there'd been no progress on a fiscal cliff deal. but stocks rose later, on news that the economy grew at an annual rate of 2.7% in the third quarter. the dow jones industrial average gained more than 36 points to close well above 13,021. the nasdaq rose 20 points to close at 3,012. the united nations general assembly voted today to recognize palestine as a non- member observer state. the tally was 138 to nine, with 41 abstentions. the u.s. voted no. it came after palestinian president mahmoud abbas appealed to the world body to issue the birth certificate of palestine. >> we did not come here seeking to delegitimize a state established years ago, and that is israel. rather, we came to affirm the legitimacy of a state that must now achieve its independence, and this is palestine. >> sreenivasan: palestinians said the vote would strengthen their hand in future peace talks with israel. but the israeli ambassador to the u.n., ron prosor, warned that the palestinians are turning their backs on peace. >> for as long as president abbas prefers symbolism over reality, as long as he prefers to
, you are, i think, correct in the second piece of the fiscal cliff. that is the tax rates that will apply next year. arguably, you don't have to take action this year, you have the whole of next year during which you can reach resolution to that issue. now, the only reason why i think that's an extraordinarily bad idea is i think it would be viewed quite unfavorably by the financial markets. and so you could see a reaction. and it is really bad tax policy to be legislating in the middle of the tax year on the basic structure of the income tax for that year. >> host: we'll go to jeff in tampa, florida, independent caller. >> caller: good morning, how you doing? >> host: good morning, sir. >> caller: yes, i have a question for mr. buckley, and this is more -- it may be a little generic, but something that a couple of my friends and i have talked about and just trying a basic understanding of. instead of having an income tax, has there ever been any discussion about having a national or a federal sales tax to help offset so this way everyone from the rich to the poor, everyon
and confidence and we can then have the revenue from the higher income to help deal with the fiscal cliff. the problem with closing loopholes is it's difficult to get anywhere near the type of revenue you can get from the rates on the higher income. >> fair enough. now if there is a compromise and you get the rates you want, don't you have to give up something? what key government function that's important to senator cardin would you put on the fable and a hey, i'll let this go to get something i want? >> we've always said it's got to be balanced between revenue and spending cuts. we understand and know we need to bring down the cost of healthcare. if we can bring down the cost of healthcare, we can save the economy money. >> would you be willing to see the medicare enrollment age raised? >> all that does is shift the cost to other people. we've got to bring down the cost of healthcare. our economy pay as to much for the healthcare dollars. we've got to get better results. >> is there anything else you can specifically put on the table? i got to press you on this that would hurt you the w
a fiscal cliff deal must include new revenues. the president pushed his plan to raise taxes on household earning over $250,000 a year. >> and i am here to tell you that nobody wants to get this done more than me. >> reporter: john boehner has a hard sell of his own with conservatives upset over his offer of $800 billion in new taxes. >> the plans the white house has talked about us this far, they could not pass either house. >> reporter: a "washington post" poll finds 53% would blame republicans if the country went over the fiscal cliff while only 27% would blame the president. >> we need new thinking and renewed efforts from all americans. >> reporter: republicans and democrats are voicing support for extending middle class tax cuts until a larger deal is found. >> which i hope they will. that that will be a victory for the american people. >> reporter: republicans, like virginia's eric cantor, said the gop has offered plans that will avoid tax hikes. >> and the proposal that we sent to the president deserves a response. >> reporter: maryland congressman steny hoyer warns congressional
sorry, no way are we going to raise rates on the wealthy, you guys are willing to go off the fiscal cliff? >> if republicans are not willing to let rates go back up, and we think they should go back to the clinton levels, a time when the american economy is doing exceptionally well, then there will not be an agreement. >> but house speaker john bigger is digging in himself, admitting talks are going nowhere. speaker boehner also described the moment when secretary geithner first showed him the president's opening offer. >> i was just flabbergasted. i looked at him and said, "you can't be serious." i've just never seen anything like it. you know, we've got seven weeks between election day and the end of the year. and three of those weeks have been wasted with this nonsense. right now i would say we're nowhere, period. we're nowhere. we've put a serious offer on the table by putting revenues up there to try to get this question resolved. but the white house has responded with virtually nothing. they've actually asked for more revenue than they've been asking for the whole entire time.
and the president to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. speaker john boehner spoke by phone yesterday. visit a northern virginia family today to highlight his call to extend current tax rates to 98% of americans. the two sides are at a stalemate over raising taxes on incomes more than $250,000 a year. however, house majority leader erik canter says the go p is ready to quote talk specifics. >> the serian army has loaded deadly gas into aerial bombs. something president obama has strongly warned against. the military is waiting for orders from the president to deploy the chemical weapons. this morning a blast hit the headquarters as fierce fighting rages in the suburbs. the german government approved sending air defense to boarders. >>> and in egypt, violent crashes led to 40 deaths and injuries. up until now the muslim brother hood which supports president morsi and protestors have demonstrated in different areas. the two sides resorted to rocks , fire bombs and they even fired shots at each other. right now tanks are outside the presidential palace and the army told the protestors to clear
that so-called fiscal cliff. but on capitol hill, talks there have pretty much hit an impasse at this point. neither republicans nor democrats seem willing to budge on the issue of tax rates for the wealthy. unless the two sides can reach some kind of deal, spending cuts and also tax hikes will collectively take effect starting january 1st. the clock is ticking. >> it is. >>> the united nations has overwhelmingly approved recognition of a palestinian state, a move staunchly opposed by the u.s. and israel. >> but in the west bank and gaza, palestinians, they celebrated on the streets. the historic vote upgrades palestine to nonmember nonvoting observer status only. meanwhile, u.s. ambassador, susan rice, she denounced the resolution. saying, quote, it's counterproductive to the goal of mideast peace. >> and the palestinian people will wake up tomorrow and find that little about their lives has changed, save that the prospects of a durable peace have only receded. >> rice added that the u.s. will continue to stand up against every effort that seeks to undermine israel's security
. as scheduled on january 1st. this is a so-called fiscal cliff. january 1st. our news makers representative jim clyburn of south carolina, number three democrat in the house of representatives and number one i'm sure to a lot of people. hello. how are you? >> hey, don. thank you so much for having me. >> thanks for coming on. is speaker boehner right, though? as the clock is ticking, ticking toward january 1st, the talks haven't progressed in two weeks. is he right? >> well, i don't know that i'm as disappointed as the speaker is right now. i understand some of his problem with this. but the fact of the matter is the american people ended elections on november 6th, voiced their approval of president obama's approach to this. over 3 million more people voted for him than voted for mr. romney. and then if you look at house democr democrats. only 201 of us got eelected. that means the rest were republicans. >> i understand that. >> but over 500,000 more votes than they got -- >> with all due respect, representative, we understand that the president won and you feel that democrats won. but is the s
economists actually call this the fiscal float instead of the cliff because the impact would be felt gradually. however, "the wall street journal" reports others sharply disagree. they argue that quickly undoing the damage double from the cliff dive would have big consequences. some possible ways here. it could prompt sell-offs on wall street. we've already seen those. it could also further dampen consumer confidence in washington. we saw that during the debate last year over raising the federal debt ceiling. >>> looking overseas, it's interesting to get a read on how other countries are perceiving the fiscal cliff fight on capitol hill. the"the washington post" ran through head lines in international papers. the gist of the coverage, china thinks the bickering in the u.s. is irresponsible. the people's daily says especially coming from a country that often tells other nations to be responsible. of course that's a big mouth piece for the communist party, that particular newspaper. heading across the pond to our friends in the uk, the financial times is blaming the g.o.p. for the inab
to the fiscal cliff, but feel very strongly we've got to get serious here. we don't want to increase tax rates. we're not going to increase tax rates. >> warner: a white house spokesman shot back that republicans ought not to be surprised that mr. obama is sticking to his guns. and congressional democrats, like house minority leader nancy pelosi, welcomed the president's plan. >> elections have consequences. the president campaigned-- he made it very clear, he made it very clear that he was supporting a tax cut for the middle class, that he wanted the expiration of the tax cuts for the high end. and the american people know that debate, they voted for him. >> warner: still, despite all the tough talk, reporter todd zwillich of wnyc and public radio international says there's more movement behind the scenes than meets the eye. >> there does tend to be a pattern to how big negotiations like this go. the fact that they haven't reached an agreement yet doesn't mean they won't before christmas, doesn't mean they won't before new years. there is a value in doing some public posturing and trying to g
obama's i'm going to call it slap in the face to the republicans on the fiscal cliff. check the price of oil. 88 a barrel, up a little. lisp to this, we've got a huge drop in the birth rate in the united states. the recession may be to blame. 64 births per 1,000 women of chile baring age, 15-44 in 2010. that's about half of what it was in the peak of the baby boom 1957. the birth rate is way down. liz macdonald and gerri willis are here on this subject. do you have any idea what's going on here? >> well, two sides could help explain that. first of all, mexico, for example, is doing better than it has been, fewer immigrants coming from mexico. there's a draw there right now going on in that country and here is the other thing, in this recession, two things that typically don't get hit as typically they got hit this time around. housing construction where immigrants work and farms where immigrants come in, so, these people who would typically work in these professions had their income quashed, left the country and lower birth rate. >> a great point. and when you have a lopsided society
on fiscal cliff negotiation struck a much different tone. if republicans don't but specifically tax rates on upper earners the white house is ready to go right over the cliff. >> we see there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2%. >> largely backs the president on those rates. 48% support the plan to raise them on upper earners compared to 32% of leaving rates unchanged. when it comes to government spending, the gop has the edge. to help balance the budget, spending cuts should take precedence over tax hikes, 46 to 30%. and leaders in congress who met with business leaders say they have already offered to raise tax by cutting deductions and the president has yet to counter their proposal. >> i'll be here and available at any moment to sit down with the president if he gets serious about solving this problem. >> it's possible the white house may be bluffing, the administration did order the pentagon to consider the big cuts in military spending that would happen if we don't reach an agreement. in washington, doug luzader, fox news. >> stocks
:00 eastern here on c-span. and following that, today's events op the fiscal cliff with president obama and house speaker john boehner. the president said in remarks to the business round table today that he was aware of reports that republicans may be willing to agree to higher tax rates on the wealthy as a way to avert the looming fiscal cliff and then come back next year with more leverage to extract spending cuts from the white house in exchange for raising the government's borrowing limit. we'll also have house speaker john boehner's news conference today where he said it's time for the white house to respond to monday's republican proposal for avoiding the fiscal cliff. see the president and speaker boehner tonight at 9:00 eastern. elsewhere on the hill today the senate appropriations committee on homeland security held a hearing on fema's response to hurricane sandy. senators from new york, rhode island, connecticut and delaware testified before the committee on the challenges their constituents face in the aftermath of the storm and what's needed to move forward. >> good morning
a 39.6%. that's the washington post this morning. below that, governors say the fiscal cliff would hurt their states' economies. several governors met at the white house yesterday and with political leaders to say something needs to be done or their economies and on the state level will be heard. -- be hurt. let's go to walter in new jersey, independent caller. good morning. caller: good morning. i don't know what's wrong with these people, because they have to come to some kind of agreement. the gop has to give ground, taxes wouldybody's go up just to save 2%. it just does not cut it. it is a bad move politically and bad for the country. host: polloi in johnsonville, virginia. -- floyd. caller: i was thinking about the fiscal cliff. i don't think that's the problem at. the problem is when we fell off the moral cliff. our president said gay marriage was ok. and america killing so many babies. side,e get back on god's everything else will take care of itself. that's the way it is. a guy said it seemed like christians are down and out. let me tell you, christians are the happiest people t
as lawmakers try to reach a deal to avoid the so called fiscal cliff in january. treasury secretary tim geithner tells cnbc republicans have made a little progress, but the obama administration is "absolutely ready to go over the cliff if the gop doesn't agree to raise tax rates on wealthy americans." apple has lost a bit of its shine. the tech giant stock suffering its worst day in four years on thursday. several factors may have been at play. investors worried apple may be giving up ground in the tablet market to rivals, while nokia beat the company to the punch. there are also unconfirmed reports a stock clearinghouse firm is reducing the margin requirements on apple stock. apple lost $35 billion in market value yesterday. to put that into perspective, there are 417 companies listed on the s&p 500 index that have a market cap below $35 billion, so the jimmer fredet the majority of the s&p is valued at just below what apple lost yesterday. >>> a fairfax county woman will have to remove parts of her negative online review of a home contractor. the ruling was made yesterday. jane perez
year. of course, if the fiscal cliff does come to be and the economy slows or dips back into recession, things will really slow down. what automakers are doing is continuing to push the sales of smaller cars, which is what the public wants, because tgas prics are rising. sales of these types of vehicles do real well in places like california where people drive long distances and where a lot of people are very concerned about the environment and want to drive hybrid or electric vehicles. so even though they haven't been so strong throughout the rest of the country, companies like general motors continue to push ahead with these vehicles. here is their newest introduction, which will be on the market in 2014. only available for sale in california and in oregon initially. this is the chevy spark. it is an all electric vehicle that will get somewhere south of 100 miles on a full charge. what's really cool about this vehicle is you'll be able to charge it up to 80% capacity in just 20 minutes. that is a challenge, though, getting the rest of america outside of places like california to buy
now. the cliff is basically the expiration of the tax rates and the across the board spending cuts of about 9% across defense and all domestic spending. that is the fiscal cliff. we shouldn't be dealing with other issues that are long term in order to avert the cliff as it were. that is immediate crisis. we have long term situation --. bill: but you know when lawmakers get a little bit of rope, you know, when they get time to think about it and push it off to the next year, it never gets done. this budget proposal, there are many who wonder whether or not even democrats could support it. the last budget that came from the white house went to the senate, it went 98-0 against it. no one voted for it. melissa: well, that was kind of a tricky parliamentary issue as well but, i do take issue with one thing, the idea we haven't dealt with entightments. we had two years, a year and a half we debated medicare. we made significant changes in medicare. we just had a campaign which republicans including governor romney time after time after time charged that we had cut $616 billion in spendin
maybe in this fiscal cliff deal. grover, the first question i have for you is this, your pledge, the pledge that many republicans have signed on to, opposes any and all efforts to increase marginal income tax rates and opposes any net reduction or elimination of deductions and credits unless matched for dollar by further reducing tax rates. closing loopholes and ending deductions would seem to increase the tax burden that americans are paying to the federal government. given that, do you support the proposal put forward by john boehner? >> well, because the proposal is significantly amorphous, you could get those revenues through economic growth and we don't really have things nailed down, i don't want to talk about a hypothetical, but there is a danger that when you put revenues on the table, even revenues through economic growth, if you grew at 4% a year, reagan levels, instead of 2%, french levels or obama levels, you would net $5 trillion in additional revenue to the government, you could pay down all of obama's additional debt by higher levels of growth, not raising taxes.
the fiscal cliff. some republicans are considering abandoning their staunch opposition to higher tax rates according to recent reports. alan simpson was co-chair on the commission of fiscal responsibility. he's a co-founder of fix the debt campaign and joins us now. senator simpson, good morning, it's great to see you. >> great pleasure to be off the witness protection program and come here. but what even more fun, david brubeck used to come to wyoming a great deal. he and his family, lovely people. i did not know he had passed. and to hear that music, it's iconic stuff. anyway. so it's good to sneak in and get made up, try to hide my identity. >> well, it's good to have you here. you say you're in the witness protection program because you've been out there on the issue of how we fix our national deficit. as you well know, we face the fiscal cliff, a series of tax hikes and spending cuts that many people think if they go into effect will put the country into recession. yet we heard the treasury secretary tim geithner say the president is willing to see the country go off the fiscal cliff
of the fiscal cliff that the president's plan would do. i believe secretary kiker expressed over the weekend we can accomplish this. i really believe if republicans were to acknowledge and do so specificity that rates are going up on the wealthiest americans. i'm talking about getting two -- i'm talking about moving the ball forward in terms of progress in reaching a deal, but that is an obstacle that once overcome would allow us to move more quick way towards the kind of compromise. what was now in the secretary kiker spoke about in which he and neighborhoods brought to their meeting on capitol hill with a framework for a purpose trademark for how to achieve a two-stage process towards a resolution. so there is a means to get there. what we need from republicans, what we need to hear and see it's pretty clear. as of now, the only party to these negotiations put forward on anything specific when it comes to broad-based deficit reduction is the president. >> he said the administration laid out the highly detailed specific or postal including spending cuts. did the administration's proposal detai
of the fiscal cliff discussions and sat down for lunch with former rival mitt romney. >> i am sure they will or have already compared experiences on the campaign trail. >> today president obama hits the road to push for his plan to avoid the fiscal cliff. but republicans have slammed him for campaign-style politics that they say just won't get the job done. rob and sunny, back to you. >> can you really imagine that they're not going to reach some sort of deal to avoid the fiscal cliff? i mean that would be so unpopular across the nation. >> you would -- if you can take an action that would solve the problem for 98% of the country and then come back to the debate about the wealthiest 2%, let's get that first chunk done. republicans fear they could lose leverage if they cave in on the middle-class issue. apparently the president, his team has made increased demand here including, a provision now, part of the negotiations where, the congressional control over the debt limit would go away. and congress does not like to have its power take any way. so maybe the white house, upped the an
the fiscal cliff, which could make it even worse. so we need to do all we can to ensure that our workers and our farmers have access to the 95% of consumers who live outside of our borders. that adds jobs. and when companies consider whether they're going to get into the export business or not which, again, creates opportunity here, they want to know are they going to be treated with certainty, predictability, with fairness in the marketplace. exporters need to know that the country doesn't play by the rules, that country will then face consequences. and those consequences really is what the world trade organization is all about. that's why this discussion is so important, because by today or tomorrow voting to authorize permanent normal trade relations with russia, we then can take advantage of the world trade organization rules as they relate to russia and our trade with them. russia joined the w.t.o. on august 22, and the united states was a big part of that accession we were talking for 18 years with russia to ensure they would go along with certain fair provisions on trade. we need
the road. not that far down the road but get into 2013, get the fiscal cliff thing behind us. why? >> i think tom coburn and the president have slightly different reasons for it. but the problem with just doing tax reform when you don't have the rates going back up is that these deductions and credits that we're going to have to go after to reform, they primarily benefit people at the top. but they also benefit middle-class families. and if you just change those then what you end up doing is raising taxes on middle-class families as well. to get the same amount of revenue. in other words, if you're trying to get a revenue target, let's say $1.6 trillion which is what the president wants. you try to do that just by reforming the code, without the rates. you don't touch the rates. the only way to do it is to get the money out of the middle class. the president doesn't want to do that and most people don't want to do that. but if you let the rates go back up, you're basically halfway to your revenue target and you can
of the congressional caucus for women's issues, i have a lot of thoughts on the fiscal cliff negotiations. first of all, we must include a robust extension of federal unemployment benefits for workers. mr. scott, has there ever been a time when the unemployment rate, 7.%, has ever been this high and on a bipartisan basis, on a bipartisan basis, this congress has not provided extended unemployment basis for workers? mr. scott: if the gentlelady would yield. the practice that we would -- it is generally the practice we would extend emergency unemployment compensation for longer than normal every time the rate gets high. and it's an smorge it's not offset that is the usual situation and the problem with this recession is a disproportionately high portion of the unemployeed are long-term unemployed. people that have been unemployed for a long time. they've been -- they're experiencing even insult to injury because a lot of employers are discriminating against people who do not have jobs. so if you apply and don't have a job, they won't consider your application. if you do have a job, they will consider you
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